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Last Jump to page: Results 1 to 15 of Thread: Why haven't any other Gods caught on other than Thor? Why haven't any other Gods caught on other than Thor? It is a pretty simple question that came to mind when reading Avengers No Road Home even with the most generic presentation possible the the Greek God Pantheon is pretty interesting. Which lead me to wonder why don't we have at least one other God that is popular. Hercules and Ares kinda counts I guess but Marvel has seem to crack the formula on them yet. War of Realms is coming up and it is basically another story showcasing Gods.

This isn't even first one Fear itself and Chaos War are also events that push the a God concept. So on some level in Marvel it works why do think Marvel doesn't take shot in this area more they are many approaches you take with God concepts I have read Wicked and the Divine, God of High School and watch American Gods each of them work in different ways. Why do you think other Gods haven't caught on Marvel? Do think Superhero tales themselves are modern version of God Myths and that is big reason why more haven't shown up?

If you had pitch to Marvel one Mythological God s to have a book at marvel who would be your choice? What is your favorite use of Gods in Marvel that doesn't include Norse Mythology?

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Most Gods have one or two stories at best, so they don't really fit into the superhero idea as well as Thor. If there was a God to use it would be Lugh, Irish God of Skills, though he would be invincible since he is a master of everything. Personally, all other Gods in the MU feel like a "Thor-lite". Why would I read about "insert God here" when I could just follow Thor's adventures? Originally Posted by Killerbee Bringing back the old, killing the young: that's the Marvel way.

Originally Posted by dreyga Originally Posted by Cmbmool. They would never be able use a god and actually have them feel like a god. Once it was revisioned that Donald Blake was just a construct and Thor was a physical entity, he got a lot more powerful. I'd prefer a god who is very different than Thor, in theme and powers. Again, not superhero archetypes that are traditionally as hard-hitting 'big guns' as one based on a god. Heimdall or Iris would be neat, in that Heimdall's main power is amazing senses combined with the usual Asgardian strength and toughness , and Iris has Monica-Rambeau-like powers, which is a neat concept.

I think Stan Lee and Jack Kirby created something very special when they created not just Thor, but the whole of Asgard and Thor's family. It was beautiful, the characters were iconic, and the ever present family drama between Thor and Loki gave Thor a villain he couldn't just toss out of his life, though he normally doesn't want to. Later writers and teams expanded on all of this. So, I think that's really why. The groundwork for Thor and his world was laid in the very beginning of , so trying to really give any other god or their pantheon the same push is asking a lot. Thor was one of the witnesses.

The bailiff naturally hesitated when it came time to swearing Thor in on a Bible, but Thor said he had no problem acknowledging a greater God, and we was quite willing to be sworn in just as anybody regular person would be. Thor admits he is uncomfortable because he knows that the God of that church doesn't think much of old Thor. Thor admitted that neither he nor Odin actually claim any sort of supremacy, but that many members of the church find Thor to be offensive.

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The point seemed to be that Thor does not consider himself a "God" in the same sense that most contemporary monotheists use the word. Thor: who has taken off his winged helmet Aye, Wanda, verily! This house of Christian worship hath no regard for the Asgardian god of thunder! Wanda: Should it? Thor: Nay, milady! E'en my father, mighty Odin, who is called all-powerful, doth lay no claim to supreme divinity Infinity Crusade Thor was one of 33 characters who were identified as the most religious superheroes in the Marvel Universe in Infinity Crusade June In this issue, a powerful being who identified herself as "the Goddess" kidnapped the superheroes she had identified as being the most religious active superheroes at the time.

The Goddess was a manifestation of the "benevolent" side of Adam Warlock, and she planned to use these heroes in her crusade to rid the galaxy of evil and usher in a new golden age of peace. After these 33 characters had been kidnapped by the Goddess, the remaining superheroes gathered to try to figure out what was going on. The Vision analyzed data about who had been taken and who had not, and explained his analysis Infinity Crusade 1, page 32 : Now that the appropriate files have been examined I believe I have sufficient hard data to put forth that theory I mentioned earlier.

I feel confident I know why these particular paranormals were abducted. All the missing share a common trait or experience An event or attitude that might be categorized as religious. Many among the missing hold deeply felt moral stands or intense spiritual belief systems. Those who do not fit that profile have all had after-death experiences My theory does not hold that these attitudes aided in the missing individual's abduction, only that these traits may have determined who would be taken. What does this do to the state of monotheism, in your opinion?

TB [Tom Brevoort]: Well, I think that for the average person in the Marvel universe, sort of taking it from that point of view, they look at Thor and they say he is a superhero. He is no different then a Mr. Fantastic or Spider-Man or Cyclops; that his get-up, his shtick, his whatever, is based on the mythological god of thunder. But I do not believe that most people in the Marvel universe actually believe he is the bona fide article.

In terms of the superhero community, they have a little more experience with, perhaps, having walked the streets of Asgard or walked the halls of Mount Olympus or whatnot, and given more of a tangible sense of the reality of the place, but in the same token they have seen colossal wonders. They've seen Galactus, they have been on other planets, they've seen the Celestials and whatnot. I think belief is a fairly personal thing. As a matter of fact, oddly enough, I was just editing this morning the script for a short eleven-page story for our upcoming issue of Marvel Double Shots that's all about Reed and Franklin talking about whether Reed believes in G-d.

And his take is, essentially, that having seen, science and religion are two sides of the same coin and having seen the scope and the breadth and the depth of the universe, it seems like there is an ordered mind behind it, that it all follows rules and that it is all logical and that it all makes sense and that can't be an accident, and I believe because of these things that I've seen. So I don't think that having encounters with Thor, whether you are an ordinary person on the ground or a superhero in the air necessarily has that much of an impact.

It may be a testing of your faith. It may make you question your beliefs a little bit more, but the basic tenet of the faith is belief in that which cannot be proven. And so it doesn't necessarily make such an impact depending on the individual. How secular are comics? How seriously do comics take religion? How seriously should comics take religion? Religion is certainly impossible to avoid in American comics. Deities from every pantheon you could think of keep popping up, in the Marvel Universe they even have a thunder god as part of a superhero team! You could argue of course that this is mythology rather than religion.

After all, although there are bound to be a few devotees somewhere, there can't be very many people who actually believe in Thor. Having him join the Avengers isn't messing with anyone's religious belief, any more than Ray Harryhausen was messing with people's religious beliefs when he put the Roman and Greek gods into his films.

Playing with defunct pantheons is one thing. Using gods that people actually worship is another. Messing with a person's gods or prophets risks causing offence, or worse. Just ask Salman Rushdie. The Panel Very different people from different parts of the comicbook industry, with different experiences and ideas on the industry come together to answer your questions This week's question is: "What is your opinion on the portrayal of religion in comicbooks? The Columnist [Alan Donaled]: "I find it quite odd to be frank over in Marvel we've got a Norse God running round as a superhero yet claiming to be a God.

Over in DC we've got demons as baddies and a whole planet full of Gods I think that with some major exceptions religion has been handled very badly in comics with the very term God being cheapened and tarnished whilst both companies simultaneously create characters who act in ways that espouse the values of most major religions aside from the whole beating people up thing. Perhaps the best exception to the rule is The Sandman by Neil Gaiman and co-creators.

Gaiman managed to bring in all the Gods of history and DC's continuity and yet he managed to produce a good balance. More than this though Gaiman disputes this reading of his work I found The Sandman to be an incredible work that fitted in wonderfully with my belief in the Judeo-Christian God the creator of the Silver City, in my reading of it anyway.

The Preacher was a blasphemous pagan work, yet very enjoyable. Even more blasphemous is Battle Pope but I believe God has a sense of humour. I have no problem with other religions, or other facets of my belief being portrayed in comicbooks. I found parts and probably the parts most people didn't have a problem with, conversely I didn't have a problem with and quite enjoyed the parts many people did complain about of Preacher to be offensive but I except it and move on. Bloody hell was that a witter or what?

I guess what I'm trying to say is I have no problem with religion in comics, any religion.

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I have no problem with works like the Preacher and in fact I prefer them over my big bugbear The cheapening of God, of religion. The two major companies have loads of 'Gods', if character isn't a hero or a mutant then they are classified as a God I'd like to discuss what religious beliefs are favorite costumed hero's belong to. Everyone knows Daredevil is Catholic. But beyond that, what do we know of superhero's beliefs? I'm thinking of mostly the Marvel Universe, but you DC fans feel free to contribute as well I think we can safely exclude the gods of the respective universes from this discussion, since it's pretty clear who Thor, Hercules, Odin, Loki, and Zeus would believe in Actually, I think we could include Thor and Hercules in this discussion.

Funny thing is, if you follow Thor's title closely, he reveals that he and the rest of the Asgardians believe in a "Higher Power". In issue 20 something of the current run of Thor, a little child makes Thor pause along the street. The little kid says something like. Thor explains something like, "I'm a higher being, but their is a higher being than me and my kind, so your mother is right to believe whatever she chooses".

This belief actually goes back to the Stan Lee written days of the title. He included Thor and the rest of Asgard as having this belief to get any Christian readers upset off his back.

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But the belief makes sense from an Asgardian point of view. They're immortal, superior beings. If they "worship" anyone, it's Odin. But even Odin believes in the "higher force", as seen in the current series' 2nd annual, where he saved Jake Olsen's soul from Hel, the Asgardian version and released it to heaven. So why believe in a higher being if your an Asgardian? Because Asgardians may be immortal, but they can still be killed, as witness recently by Odin. A death in Immortal Asgard is always a mournful period.

Since they know they'll never die of old age, the effect is like they feel they'll never see their dead friends again. Most Christians, or other believers of faith have the knowledge that they'll will see their dead loved ones again someday in Heaven. Asgardians have no such assurance since they live forever. But they can console themselves with the fact that if they ever do die, at least THEN they can see their loved ones again.

So that's why I feel it makes sense for them to believe in a higher power. A few Marvel characters have religious backgrounds. The Thing is Jewish, although he is not practicing. Magneto is also either Jewish or a Gypsy. The Avenger Firebird is a Catholic missionary. Storm is a Pagan. Thor thinks he is a God.

Daredevil is also a Catholic. From: "Catholic Clix - Comic info needed! Firebird's is Catholic. Punisher was Catholic I'm not sure now. Aurora from Alpha Flight is very Catholic in one of her split personalities. Dagger is Catholic not sure about Cloak. Bushwhacker a villain is Catholic. Venom's Catholic Eddie Brock that is ;. Thor at least believes in the Catholic church's beliefs as he expressed in the classic 'Whatever Gods There Be' storyline and I'd guess that Doom is Catholic, when he's not being a master of the occult. Most middle-European monarchs in his region are. I'm sure there are more.

Thor isn't so much Catholic, as much as he knows there are greater powers than he and his kind Of course Thor knows that there are greater powers than he. Also, Thor confirmed his belief in God in both an Ultron adventure where he denied that he felt uncomfortable in a nunnery Catholic, of course because of his belief in God. Just before this whole "Lord of Asgard" thing started, he consoled a Catholic child that his faith in God was true. But the strongest moment came about in the classic "Whatever Gods There Be".

In that story he saved a Catholic priest from a collapsing church. The priest had been losing faith and wondering whether he should have been worshipping Thor, a god he could see, all along. Thor, mightily supporting the church, tells him that though there are great powers in Asgard, there is One whose radiance outshines us all, and and you really have to see the issue to get how dramatic this is. Thor and Odin have both referred to God as "The one to whom every knee must bend, and whose light outshines us all.

If not specifically Catholic, Thor and the Asgardians are at least a god-fearing people. However, "Whatever gods There Be" does give at least a little evidence towards his actual belief system. This was a normal issue of Thor. I have the issue in my archives. I'll find it. The title of the story is 'Whatever gods there be'. Yeah, but there are two problems with this logic. For one, that obviously doesn't make him Catholic - or even Christian.

He could be talking about Yaweh is that correct? The Jewish name for God , or even Allah. All he confirmed, from your description, was the believe in 'a god. But secondly - and more importantly - Thor couldn't actually 'confirm' Christianity or Judaism. I don't think he could confirm Islam either, but I don't know enough about it. The reason is that one of the main points of the Ten Commandments is that "Thou shalt worship no false gods" The existence of Thor, Odin, etc sort of kills that, don't you think?

Unless of course you want to consider all other gods a test of faith - those that believe are unfaithful. But then with all those gods running around, it would be literally impossible to know which one was correct for sure - especially because every single God has a face attacthed to him, EXCEPT the monotheistic Gods.

Look at it this way; when you go to the store, you see someone you know, but you decide not to speak to him, you just nod politely and walk away. You acknowledge him, but you don't devote your time to him. I'm a devout Catholic, I believe in God and all that comes with the faith, but I also acknowledge the existence of other faiths and religions, and with that, the existence of other gods.

This however, does not mean I worship these "other" gods. This is not by any means saying that "mine is right, and yours is wrong" or, "yours is right, and mine is wrong". It is simply about tolerance, and acknowledging that not everyone out there belives in God, or "a god". There is a large difference between the acknowledgement of other faiths, and other other gods. I, for one, am not religious myself. I say that I don't believe in God, but I'm not opposed to the idea either - if one day I have a 'revelation', so be it.

I do not, however, acknowledge the existences of God. Acknowledging the existence of God and Jesus Christ as a being, and not an idea makes one a Christian, even a non-practicing one. Similarly, acknowledging the existence of Allah would make one a believer of Islam. The reason is that religion is founded not upon worship, but upon belief. If you believe that Shiva, Brama, and Ganesha exist, then you would be Hindu. Or Hindi I'm not sure what the proper adjective form is.

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Note that whereas many of us read about Thor and Odin sometimes outside of comics even , most of us only know the idea of Thor. I don't know anybody who prays to the Thunder God for rain, nor whom prays to the Allfather for glory in his dealings at the office. The point here is that the main basis of any monotheistic religion is the idea that there is only one God. The Christian Coalition, for example, could never acknowledge the existence of Allah; because in doing so, that means that there are now two Gods, when there ought only be one.

Do you know what I mean? Oh, and "nunnery" is actually a correct word, albeit an archaic one. Shakespeare used it a few times. Like in Hamlet, where Hamlet told Ophelia "Get thee to a nunnery. As to praying to the Allfather. I do know some who still profess this faith these include rituals and discussions etc These people do take their faith seriously as I have previously stated. Batman is a confirmed atheist, Superman is Protestant exact denomination unknown , Thor's [religion] is his own dad In the Marvel Universe it has been readily accepted as cannon that the Asgardians, Olympians, and such are not gods, but in fact Alien races, who at one time saw fit to intervene in the race of man, and sought their worship, but no longer do so.

So Thor acknowledging the existince of One God, or supreme being, doesn't neccesarily negate the first commandment which actualy reads "Thou shalt have no other gods before Me, Exedous And as for Christians acknowleding Allah, Christians do in fact acknowledge both Allah and Yaweh, for they are in fact the same God. Allah and Yaweh are two different names for the God of Abraham, which Christians, Jews, and Muslims all believe in, we just believe that he has done different things and worship him in different ways. I know that the storyline revolved around that point.

I wasn't aware that idea existed outside of that storyline though. In theory, all of them are the same person with different names. All of them created the world, and then created life. Some more Fundamentalist believers actually get very angry when you compare their religion to one of the other 'big three'. Indeed, history supports this idea: the Crusades basically boiled down the God vs.

Allah, much in the way that the modern fight over Jerusalem boils down to Yaweh vs. So yes, all monotheistic gods are the same, but only in theory After all, how many different ways could there be to create the world? But it's obviously much easier for us to talk about this, since we gamers tend to be a more Liberal bunch. Which is good and bad, I suppose.

All three base their faith in the God of Abraham. However, Muslims believe that it was Ishmael, the son of Abraham and his handmaiden Hagar, who was the rightful heir to the covenant of God and Abraham, whereas Jews and Christians believe that it was Isaac, the son of Abraham and his wife Sarah. Christians differ from the Jews in that they believe that God manifested himself on Earth as his Son Jesus, while the Jews still await the Messiah.

As for the Crusades they were more about politcal power, and who controlled the rights to the Holy Land, and I think it's safe to say that the crusades have never really ended, for that region is still in conflict. But that happens when three different groups have different ideas about the same God.

As for the Asagardians, in the Official handbook of the Marvel Universe they are listed under Alien Races as they are anyother time they are listed catogorically , The Earth X trilogy just took this little known fact andexpanded on it. And I'm not sure I agree with your theory on agnostics arguing strictly from theory is correct. Believing in nothing is still a belief and I have seen many an agnostic and athist throw fact and thory out the window for their belief in nothing or their belief in indecision;. People are people no matter what faith or lack thereoff and are just as willing to become fanatical if they believe strongly enough in something There's a difference though, between the way Thor and the Asgardians define themselves as gods and how God is defined as a god.

Odin himself prays to God, and they both have said that they are as nothing compared to 'the one to whom every knee must bend and whose radiance outshines us all". As to his statement to the priest in 'Whatever gods there be', not to mention his words regarding the CONVENT yes, I know it's a convent, simply chose the wrong word not to mention his words to the little boy in 'Across All Worlds', I'd say that there's a pretty good shot that he at least believes to some degree in the Catholic faith, even if he himself is not a Catholic I can't think of any major superheroes that strongly believe in any real faith, and that surprises me.

Certainly not in the DC Universe. I think there are more minority superheroes than religious ones I know that for a large chunk of the population, faith is an important part of their lives There would seem to be a lot of untapped ground for storytelling. I wonder why it hasn't happened. I, for one, would like to see some character get revamped as a Born Again Christian, rather than the usual darker, angrier more violent version. And not a religious zealot either -- tolerent, although perhaps disapproving at times.

So there is at least one. Is that what you meant by "certainly not in the DC universe" As to why we don't see them. There is an expression "Never discuss religion or politics". Presumable because it will always lead to a disagreement at the least and a major blowout is not uncommon. Some things people believe so strongly that nothing will sway them. If you suggest that they may be wrong, it won't be taken well. DC and Marvel are avoiding the issue so as not to piss off half of their readers.

So there is at least one Thor doesn't have a faith associated with him. He's just there. Since an ever-growing number of stories have him act as nothing more than an average child super-powered, of course , it's hard to imagine he sees himself as anything other than just a person. From: Peter Henrikson Date: Thurs, Apr 22 pm I'm assuming a bit here but, since Thor is a Scandinavian god wouldn't there be a religion or faith with people who worship him?

Of course, since Thor knows for a fact that he's a god, "faith" might not be an accurate term. From: WRH Bill Date: Fri, Apr 23 pm The issue of Marvel's Thor being worshipped as an actual god was pretty much ignored in the series until recently, but current Thor writer Dan Jurgens has gotten heavily into it in the last couple of years, with a storyline in which Thor, who has replaced Odin as ruler of Asgard, brings Asgard to Earth and sets himself up as ruler of Earth for its own good.

A Thor cult is started, based on Thor actually being able to perform "miracles" for the people of Earth, and it comes into conflict, eventually violent, with Christianity and other established religions. Fantastic of the Fantastic Four] skemono am Which brings up an interesting point. Monotheistic religions tell us that there is one, and only one, god in the world.

But in Marvel and DC universes, you have other, "pagan" gods wandering around all the time. Thor and Hercules all right, so he's only a demi-god Yet there are still agnostics, or atheists, or people who believe there god is the only one that exists. I recall the scene from Marvel's , where the preacher revealed that the reason they kept the staff of Thor a secret was because it would've proved that the pagans were right and the Christians, by extension, were wrong.

But there's not really any indication that I've seen that such has happened in the normal universes Fate, and the Spectre , and just views them as energies or origins of a nature not yet explained by science. So basically it's just a suspension of disbelief thing so that writers can mine story ideas from all mythologies and religions. A few quick points Thor and Hercules, obviously, are Methodists. Whoops, just kidding. But they clearly have religions as they are Gods and adopting atheism would be suicidal Here are some of the things that may be missed or have to be adjusted.

Thor is a God himself so religion is a moot point for him About worshiping there is also the story where Loki kidnaps Scott Summers and Madeline when they are married still and a few friends when they are traveling in one plane and later the X-man go there to rescue them the art was Paul Smith's and Loki tried to give them - humans - special skills but they would be grateful and worship him although of course he does not revel that part because it was really not that important.

One of the best things is also in The Ultimates the version of Avengers with a Thor with a vision more world-wise. He does also proclaims to be a God all the time Does anybody know the religious beliefs of various characters? Date: 20 Oct From: Samy Merchi Barring any actual solid evidence in the characters' own books, you could always fall back on the Infinity Crusade and see which sides the characters were on in that conflict. Anybody feel like whipping those issues out and checking these specific characters?

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IIRC, even if you read the crossover, it's still pretty vague in what religions the heroes believed. Date: 21 Oct From: Samy Merchi In many cases, it [Infinity Crusade] is the strongest canonical reference to many of the characters' religious stance. Some lucky ones have been dealt with at more depth in their own books DD, Rahne, Storm et al. If we want to go by canon rather than sheer postulation. One blatantly obvious: A vampire is repelled by religious symbols. When one was hit by the Holy Hammer wielded by the God of Thunder who obviously believed in Himself , he sputtered out The few times it has played a role is when Wolvie made a cross in front of Dracula, who was suprised by its non-effect it was wielded by a nonbeliever , and Nightcrawler took the cross away from Wolvie and seared Drac big time.

And then Drac was burned on Kittie's Star of David. And of course the Vamp that sputtered out on Thor's hammer Date: 31 Oct From: Randal Where did this happen? I've heard of it before but never read the actual story. It seems ridiculous to me that that the hammer would have any more effect than Thor himself. If Thor was there why didn't that drive the vampires away?

If Christ appeared would he need a Crucifix to scare vampires? Date: 21 Oct From: Just Jak! Belief indicates faith which means that thinking something is true without evidence Worships him, yes. Takes him as their god, yes. But belief dies in the face of evidence and is replaced by knowledge. Date: 22 Oct From: Sean M. Connolly You assume that faith and reason are contrary principles, not complementary ones. Faith and skepicism are contrary principles. Where there is faith, there is a resistance to evidence and where there is evidence, faith is irrelevent.

If Thor were alive and well and attending Avengers press conferences, saying you had faith in his existence would be meaningless. Date: 22 Oct From: Just Jak! This is actually a pretty interesting question that never gets looked at in the comics for pretty good reason, I can't imagine it would help sales. How would current religions fare in the face of living ancient gods walking around and acting as super-heroes? Sure, there would be the hard-core believers who think they're fakes or deceivers, but how would the luke warm believers take the fact that Thor, Norse God of Thunder, is walking around I seem to recall a character named Crusader who fought against Thor but lost his powers when his faith wavered upon realizing that Thor actually WAS a god, as he claimed Date: 22 Oct From: Lee K.

Unfortunately, I don't remember where I read that. And I don't know if the Mavels Comics skip week event is considered canon, but the Thor comic there potrayed Thor as someone using technology [to] simulate magic. The bailiff naturally hesitated in having Thor swear on a Bible, but Thor said he had no problem acknowledging a greater god. Or is that "God"? In an old Pre-Korvac Avengers story, the avengers, Thor incluced, walk into a church. Thor admits he is uncomfortable since he knows that the God of that church doesn't think much of old Thor.

Didn't really seem to imply hostility so much as dismissal. Thor goes on to admit that neither he nor Odin actually claim any sort of supremacy, but that many members of the church find Thor to be offensive. I think his whole point is that Thor himself does not consider himself a God in the sense that most people today use the word. They or not find him offensive, but they wouldn't find him a challenge to their faith. From: "Banned for using this nic" thread began 4 Apri in rec. Anyone else? I'm just wondering if DCU has many more religious heroes than I can recall. I don't think we should count Spectre or Zauriel.

I tend to think of them like Thor or Hercules.

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Representatives of religion, not worshipers From: "The religions of comic book characters" thread started 10 February on rec. For the most part you don't get much of an idea as to the private lives of most comic book characters. Marvelish soap opera not withstanding.

What I mean is you don't get much of an idea what their politics or religion might be. This is sensible enough I guess as they don't want to offend any of their customers As far as Marvel is concerned, there are a few characters where you do A reference back in the Bronze Age of Comics to the Avengers "bowing their heads in prayer" after a funeral provoked a letter from a reader asking what sort of prayer?

And who does Thor pray to? His father? The editorial reply indicated that they had not thought about it other than that "the Avengers, being Americans, would be mostly Christians or Jews. Sinclair is Catholic probably lapsed , an ex-seminarist; Garibaldi is an atheist, Ivanova a dubiously observant Jew, Dr. Franklin a Foundationist a religion which postdates the 21st century.

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Sheridan, on the other hand, is one of those wishy-washy postmodernists believing "in everything, a little. Delenn seems to take human religion more seriously, literally dragging Sheridan to Reverend Willy's gospel meeting. Other clergy appear as part of the "resistance". The Centauri aristocracy is pretty clearly copied from the Roman Empire, with an official polytheism, including deified-emperor cults, which almost no one still takes seriously From: Bripe Klmun, "Holy Superheroes? I personally find the whole thing dumb. As a general rule, it's not remotely important what religion a superhero or super villain subscribes to.

Some are of obvious importance, like Thor or Odin - some are important to their character development Magneto , and some it's of mere background information Kitty Pryde. David said There's only a few defenses I could give for the obscurity of genuine religious practice in comic books. It's difficult to reconcile the competing claims of say, Thor with those of Christianity in the comic book world, at least I agree, this is a great topic. Jestrfyl, thank you for mentioning Testament , which is a wonderful comic.

I would also mention Promethea Kirby's New Gods I'm impressed that comics have been so daring in this subject. I mean, how many people were first introduced to Norse mythology through Thor? I think this topic has been addressed on this board before, and the consensus which swayed me -- I originally held a different view was that the vast majority of residents in the Marvel and DC don't take the claims made by the likes of Wonder Woman and Thor very seriously.

They consider them superheroes with a "god" schtick, a clever marketing gimmick. Heck, there was even a remark in some issue of Fantastic Four that someone resurrected to the effect that most Marvel denizens think Galactus is a put-on -- that he's was a National Enquirer kinda thing, like Bigfoot. The Pope probably doesn't distinguish between Thor and Iron Man. They're both superheroes, with different "acts. And in The Ultimates , Mark Millar made it quite obvious that nobody believes Thor's claims to godhood. The dialogue goes like this:.

Iron Man: "I want Thor to use his magic hammer to teleport the bomb off-world and as far away from me and you as possible. Iron Man: "Well, he's always showing off about how it can take him to Asgard and all that crap so I don't see why he couldn't just dump it in some mystical realm or something.

Black Widow: "Are you serious? This was your big plan? You're going to take the bomb and dump it in Narnia? We're talking about the Norse God of Thunder here. Black Widow: "No, we're not. We are talking about a former mental patient. Are you the only one who hasn't noticed? Thor's insane. He's out of his mind. The poor man's a delusional schizophrenic. Tony, please tell me you're joking.

This is insane. I don't believe this. I cannot believe that our lives are in the hands of an ex-psychotic. And, while The Ultimates isn't the "real" Marvel universe, it's not a stretch to believe that Natasha's attitude in the Ultimate line isn't mirrored to some extent over in the Marvel U. Most people probably don't believe Thor is a Thunder God, except for those who've actually visited Asgard.

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And even some of them might write it off to hypnotism, mass delusion, or some ability on Thor's part to "cloud men's minds.